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I am a power crazed meglomaniac

by revruth @ 2007-05-12 - 20:17:47

Well, we've not have much recently on the Blog-front from the Very Rev'd Provost of Glasgow, but boy has he let rip today. See http://www.thurible.net/20070512/collecting-things/#comments

It would appear that he is suggesting that I am a power crazed meglomaniac. (I'll let you guess which side I'm on!) I am certainly in favour of a local church, and a collaborative one, and one that does ministry - even by all the people. What I don't get is the Alpha-like passion that some have for LCM. And who is training all these local ministers? The preachers, the catechists, the pastoral carers, etc. If I had to do four years at University, three years at Theological Institute (and it was like an institute in oh so many ways) then why do they just have to read a handbook? Oh so many questions could be asked. The sort that you'd ask at a Synod in fact, if it ever came up properly.

His comments on IDPs were interesting too. (That's Individual Development Plans for the uninitiated.) We fill them in as ordinands, then we are ordained and we fill them in again (or not, as the case may be) and then we fill them in once more if we want any further training. I think it's all about assessing what our own training needs are. That should be very empowering really, if it works. Although I've never been very sure how much a student knows about their future needs when they don't yet know what they need, if you know what I mean. Of course, what happens is that you fill it in and you take it to someone who tells you to source the sort of training you need and they might help fund one third of it.

Now here's something revolutionary to think about... how about if our Church offered regular training for clergy? Instead of us having to pay thousands to the Mennonites in London to get training in Conflict Resolution, we get someone to come and train all the clergy here together in it? It would save a fortune. I mean I'm all for lifelong learning - in fact, I crave it. But you know, if I've got to travel half way round the country and pay a fortune to do it, then it starts to lost its appeal. And another thing... the reaction after our annual Clergy Conference is always that it was so good to just spend time with other clergy. Wouldn't training for all do just the same?

We do have a tendency to hold on to things in the Church, right enough. It all began with eight hoovers. But it seems like we are reluctant to let go of lots of things. I reckon everything should be on 2 year contracts and then be re-assessed. If the hoover is not working in 2 years, then ditch it. If the training is no good after 2 years, move on to something else. If this Mission experiment has run its course, let it go. If your priest is not working out how you expected after 2 years... on second thoughts. Actually, why not?

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Kimberly [Visitor]
http://wonderfulexchange.wordpress.com
12/05/07 @ 22:26

As always in relation to this topic, I couldn't agree with you more.

The only nagging problem I have is that I suspect that those of us who find ourselves bemoaning the situation so often with one day (soon?) have to do something about it. Would it be in the spirit of LCM if we just got on with it -- invited the mennonites (let them practice on us even), organized a clergy conference, all went en mass to something like the Theology and the Arts week in St Andrews, and ran our own minitry reflection along side it...

If you could wave the proverbial magic wand, what sort of clergy training would you want right now? Maybe we can start looking for ways to make it happen.

Kelvin Holdsworth [Visitor]
http://www.thurible.net
12/05/07 @ 23:11

I'm not sure I would have described LCM advocates as Alpha-like.

Perhaps Cursilloesque.

iangeciangec [Member]
13/05/07 @ 01:34

Change your priest every two years.....well 3 at a push :-)

LissaTLissaT pro
13/05/07 @ 11:00

Living in a parish where we have had a whole series of priests staying between 2 and 5 years with long interregnums, you can't imagine how much we long for continuity. And what about the priest's children having to change schools, home, friends every two years? I can see the point of a first probationary period before the appointment is made permanent - say one year, parish review, second year with points made (priest to parish as well as parish to priest) taken on board and acted upon, then a second review before the position is finalised and the parish freehold is given. (The terminology may be different in Scotland, but I assume you have something similar to parish freehold.) That way hard-working priests would have security, and no parish would be stuck with someone they really couldn't get on with - or priest feel himself/herself stuck in a place and with people s/he can't stand.

revruthrevruth [Member]
13/05/07 @ 14:38

Oh Kimberly, you have got me thinking. In fact that is just what I'm going to do all afternoon seeing as it's free-ish. What sort of training do I want and can we just do it ourselves?

And touché, Kelvin! But have I ever pestered you to go? I think not.

Ian, I'm sorry I only stayed 3 years. I could have stayed for 10 more by which time you'd be begging me to go!

And Lissa, I was being flippant really. Two years is too short for all the reasons you state. However, I don't believe in freehold really (yes we do have it here for the moment but its under review). I know of too many parishes who are stuck with unsuitable clergy or clergy who are counting the days till their pension and do nothing. Some just hang on for too long doing nothing new while numbers dwindle. They are the ones for whom lifelong learning is a dirty word.

I don't think I went into priesthood for security. I want to be challenged out of my comfort zone. How does security and the Holy Spirit work together?

Lots to think about this afternoon...

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